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AAPL 呈两面性:40 倍远期市盈率对比略低于 30 倍的历史常态,加之对 iPhone Duo 需求的疑虑,构成防御理由;而 70%+ 的服务业务利润率、iPhone 17 超级周期、25 亿用户基础、中国市场份额提升以及强劲的自由现金流,则可能支撑其溢价。净来看方向不明。

《Bull v. Bear: iPhone Duo Launches as AAPL Hits Record High》
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Apple 的股票正受到关注,因为它重现了一个熟悉的场景:排长队。这家科技巨头今天在门店推出了其首款折叠屏手机“iPhone Duo”,从上海到纽约都有顾客排队。

Apple's stock is in the spotlight, as it brought back a familiar scene: long queues. The tech giant launched its first foldable phone, the "iPhone Duo," in stores today with customers lining up from Shanghai to New York.

尽管其起售价约为2000美元,需求看起来依然强劲。在今天之前,线上订单显示的交货日期已经排到了2027年。首批评测称赞了这款手机的设计,但也有一些担忧,涉及尚未针对折叠屏优化的应用。

Although its base price starts at around $2,000, demand appears to be strong. Before today, online orders indicated delivery dates extending to 2027. Initial reviews praise the phone's design, but there are some concerns about apps that have not yet been optimized for the foldable screen.

对 Apple 来说,最大的问题是它能否把最初的热情转化为持续的销量,并让这款新设备保持广泛普及。对我来说,Apple 的股价正接近历史高点。

The big question for Apple is whether it can convert the initial enthusiasm into sustained sales and maintain widespread adoption of the new device. For me, Apple shares are nearing their all-time highs.

今天“Duo”的发布声势很大,而且有很多关于 Apple 门店外排队情况的电视广告。我得承认,我不是会买它的人,但当他们说你会拥有一台装在口袋里的 iPad 时,这确实引起了我的注意。

today's launch of "Duo" was big, and as you know, there are a lot of TV ads about the queues outside Apple stores. I have to admit, I'm not a candidate to buy one, but when they said you'd have an iPad in your pocket, it really caught my attention.

现在很多人看电视或在手机上看视频,更大的屏幕也许值得一看。

Many people are watching television now or watching videos on their phones, and a larger screen might be worth watching.

接下来,我们来说问题所在,那就是5万亿美元的市值,这体现了 Apple 代表的是怎样一家公司。但让我担心的是40倍的市盈率。

Now, after that, we come to the problems, which is the $5 trillion market capitalization, an indicator of the kind of company Apple represents. But the price-to-earnings ratio of 40 is what worries me.

一旦它达到40倍,我就不再是这家公司的粉丝了。我开始采取略微防御的立场。他们的财报将在11月7日公布,Diane。

Once he reaches 40, he'll lose me as a fan of this company anymore. I'm starting to take a slightly defensive stance. They have earnings results coming out on November 7th, Diane.

结合估值和这次发布来看,我认为这次发布不会像他们预期的那么火爆,但我认为人们会慢慢开始喜欢这款产品。我只是担心40倍的市盈率,Diana 和 Tom。

With the evaluation, and with this launch, I think the launch will not be as great as they expected, but slowly but surely, I think people will start to like this product. I'm just worried about a P/E ratio of 40, Diana and Tom.

不,我忘了自己在日历上有个预约,然后经理让我等任何新款 iPhone 的第二代。所以我推迟了;这不是我的决定。

No, I forgot that I had made an appointment on the calendar, and then the manager told me to wait for the second version of any new iPhone model. So I postponed it; it wasn't my decision.

但仍然,这是一款很棒的设备,不是吗?关于它的议论很多。他们并没有生产很多。记住这一点。这是问题的一部分,也是订单延迟的原因。

But still, you know, it's a great device, isn't it? You know there's a lot of noise about it. They didn't produce much of it. Remember that. This is part of the problem and the reason for the delay in orders.

如果现在在网上订购,目前要到1月25日才能收到。但这不过是他们箭筒里又多了一支可以用的箭。Kevin 刚才提到,按40倍远期市盈率来估值。与略低于30倍的历史标准相比,这算贵的。所以想想这一点。

If you order online, you will not receive it until January 25th at the moment. But this is just another arrow in their quiver that they will use. Now Kevin mentioned valuations based on a forward price-to-earnings ratio of 40 times.

This is expensive compared to historical rates, which are slightly less than 30 times the standard. So think about that.

但现在我们来谈谈这只股票今天上涨并创下新高的几个原因,它今年已上涨27%。利润率在扩大。他们业务中的服务板块实现了超过70%的利润率,这提升了他们的整体利润率。

But let's now talk about some of the reasons why the stock is rising and reaching record levels today, up 27% this year. Profit margins are expanding. The services side of their business achieves margins exceeding 70%, and this increases their overall margins.

他们刚刚经历了 iPhone 17 的超级周期。iPhone 18 获得了不错的评价。这是件积极的事。他们拥有25亿产品的用户基础,可以利用。

They just went through a supercycle with the iPhone 17. The iPhone 18 is getting good reviews. This is a positive thing. They have a user base of 2.5 billion products that they can leverage.

人工智能方面,他们终于开始扩展了,不是吗?而我们还在继续等待。这可能是件积极的事。但接着你开始看资本支出。我们一直在谈论大型云计算公司这方面的情况。它们正投入数千亿美元,还在加大力度,并预计进一步扩大。嗯,与苹果的资本支出相比,这不过是沧海一粟。

Artificial intelligence, they've finally started expanding it, haven't they? While we continue to wait for that. That might be a positive thing. But then you start to look at capital spending.

We talk about this with the big cloud computing companies all the time. They are spending hundreds of billions of dollars, intensifying it, and expecting to expand it further. Well, that's just a drop in the ocean compared to Apple's capital spending.

所以,他们是这里的赢家。所以,他们的利润率在上升,超级周期在扩大,他们能够提价,而消费者也愿意接受。

So, they are the winners here. So, their margins are increasing, the supercycle is expanding, they are able to raise prices, and the consumer is ready to accept it.

现阶段,他们正在中国等关键市场获得市场份额。所以是的,可以从中看到很多积极因素,远期市盈率的评估很可能是合理的,各位别忘了这一点。

They are gaining market share in key markets such as China at this stage. So yes, there are many positives to be gleaned, and the forward price-to-earnings ratio assessment may well be justified, and don't forget that, folks.

在本周迄今为止科技板块的这种格局中,科技股下跌,许多半导体个股也下跌。而苹果拥有稳健的资产负债表,以及该公司巨大的自由现金流。因此,它是稳定的。

In this mix we have seen so far this week in the technology sector, technology has declined and many semiconductor names have declined. Well, you have a solid balance sheet with Apple, and huge free cash flows for that company. Therefore, it is stable.

在极度波动的环境下,它本周上涨了1.2%。因此,鉴于其强劲的资产负债表,投资者可能会将其视为避风港。你提到他们在11月2日有财报,我想把我的交易安排在那之后,因为那时会变贵,对吧?

It has risen by 1.2% this week under extremely volatile conditions. Therefore, investors may use this as a safe haven, given its strong balance sheet. You mentioned that they have profits on November 2nd, and I want to set up my trades so that I'm after that, since it becomes expensive, right?

想想这个。10月7日,抱歉,是10月30日到期的期权,波动率大约在24,略低于25。至于我买入的11月13日到期期权,波动率是30.8。所以,我买入的波动率高于我卖出的波动率。

为什么这样?我为什么要这么做?好,我准备延长期限以涵盖财报事件。这是因为财报事件发生在中间那一周。

Think about this. The expiry date of October 7, or sorry, October 30, is trading at a volatility of around 24, slightly less than 25. As for November 13, which is what I am buying, it is trading at a volatility of 30.8.

So, I'm buying higher volatility than I'm selling. Why is that? Why would I do that? Okay, I'm preparing to extend the period to include the earnings event. This is because the earnings event takes place in that middle week.

Tom,我考虑买入11月13日到期的340看跌期权,它只比当前交易价格低7.50美元或8美元。然后我卖出10月30日到期的340看跌期权,这发生在财报事件之前,希望在财报事件时延长期限后,折价看起来大约在455,并可能更接近460成交。

Tom, I looked at buying the 340 put option on November 13, which is only $7.50 or $8 less than the current trading price. Then I sell the put option 340 on October 30, which precedes the earnings event, hoping that when I extend the time period at the earnings event, the discount looks around 455 and may trade closer to 460.

对于我想做的事情来说,这似乎很贵,但当我延长期限时,我真的能够降低那个净折价。Tom,所以我通过在其后买入、在其前卖出来准备和预期财报事件,然后我希望把期限直接延长到财报事件发生时。

That seems expensive for what I'm trying to do, but when I extend the time period, I will really be able to reduce that net discount. Tom, so I prepare and anticipate the earnings event by buying after it and selling before it, then I hope to extend the period directly to the time of the earnings event.

是的,我们来分析这笔交易。我认为 Kevin 对这笔交易的说明很好,那就是如果你只看这个风险状况,风险回报比看起来并不好,但它忽略的是,你可以把空头期权转移到一系列隐含波动率更高、期权权利金更高的财报事件期权上。

因此,如果股价处于或接近340的行权价,你真的会得到非常好的平衡。

Yes, let's analyze this trade. I think this is a good illustration Kevin provides about this trade, which is that the risk-to-reward ratio doesn't look great if you only look at this risk profile, but what it's missing is the possibility of transferring your short option to a series of earnings-event options that have higher implied volatility and a higher option premium.

So you'll really get a very good balance if the stock is at or near the strike price of 340.

但让我们分析一下这笔交易。11月13日到期的周度期权,买入一份还有21天到期的340看跌期权,对比卖出10月30日到期、还有7天到期的同一340看跌期权,这是一个略微看跌的日历价差看跌期权,围绕340行权价的两周价差。

你支付约455美元的折价,也就是说每份价差455美元就是这笔交易的风险。

But let's analyze this trade. The November 13 weekly options, buying a 340 put option with 21 days to expiry, versus selling the same 340 put option in the October 30 weekly options that expire in 7 days, a slightly bearish calendar put option with a two-week spread around the strike price of 340.

You are paying a discount of about $455, meaning $455 per spread is your risk in this trade.

你的盈亏平衡点很可能在上行方向大约350附近,也许吧,但这可能会扩大,因为在接下来七天临近到期时,如果市场开盘且价差扩大,你要么会考虑平仓,对吧?如果股价开始跌向340附近,或者把那个空头期权展期到包含该财报事件的11月6日周度期权。

这时你会获得一个很大的余额,能降低很多风险并提高潜在盈利能力。

Your breakeven points will most likely be around 350 on the upside, maybe, but this could widen because as you approach the expiry over the next seven days, you will either be looking to close the deal if the market is open and if it widens, right?

If the stock starts to decline near 340, or carry that short option over to the weekly November 6 options that include that earnings event. This is where you will get a large balance that reduces a lot of risk and increases potential profitability.

它被限制在一个特定范围内,不是吗?你希望股价处于或接近340,但你在340行权价之外仍有一个区间。你不希望发生的是股价从这里不涨,或者也许不跌破335或330。这时你在这笔交易中也会开始失去盈利能力,但这是Kev的一个宽泛的两周看跌“底部”日历价差。

It is restricted to a specific scope, isn't it? You want to be at or near 340, but you still have a range outside the 340 strike price. What you don't want to happen is for the stock not to rise from here or perhaps not to fall below 335 or 330.

This is where you start to lose profitability as well in this trade, but it's a broad two-week bearish "bot" calendar from Kev.

我看了点相对中性的东西。它既不看涨也不看跌,相对中性。我在这里看了空头“铁鹰”,有时也叫空头“铁蝴蝶”,全部在10月30日到期的周度期权里。所以,在这个示例交易中,它实际上是一个短期布局。如果你认为股价会维持在当前位置附近。

How, I looked at something somewhat neutral. It is neither bullish nor bearish, it is relatively neutral. I've looked at the short "Iron Condor" here, sometimes referred to as the short "Iron Butterfly," all in the weekly October 30 picks.

So, it is really a short-term positioning in this example deal. If you believe the stock will hold around its current share price.

我看了10月30日到期的周度期权,卖出一份行权价345的看跌期权和一份行权价345的看涨期权。所以,你在345行权价卖出一份跨式,然后在下行方向买入335的看跌期权,在上行方向买入355的看涨期权。

所以,这是一个中性的空头铁蝴蝶,买价为10美元。你积累的余额大约是7美元。可能少十美分,但你积累的余额就是你能获利的空间,对吧?每份价差700美元,风险300美元,但在这笔交易中那是在355以上或335以下,Kevin。

所以,它既不向上也不向下,Keif。它是另一种期权。它是中性的。

I went to the October 30 weekly options, and sold a put option at a strike price of 345 and a call option at a strike price of 345. So, you sell a straddle at a strike price of 345, then buy a put option at 335 on the downside, and buy a call option at 355 on the upside.

So, this is a neutral short Iron Butterfly with a bid of $10. You accumulate a balance of approximately $7. It may be ten cents less, but the balance you accumulate is what you can profit from, right?

$700 per spread with a risk of $300, but that's above 355 or below 335 in this trade, Kevin. So, it's neither upward nor downward, Keif. It's the other option. It is neutral.

完全正确,Tom。Tom在这里的想法运用了一些常识。它正触及历史最高水平。距离财报发布还有大约一周,他很可能还会在这里待一段时间。所以卖出一份345的跨式,买入两端,构建一个10美元的垂直看跌期权、一个10美元的垂直看涨期权,收取7美元,你在这里要做的就是让时间流逝,保持在这个区间内,然后以低于7美元的价格买回。

That's absolutely right, Tom. Tom, what Tom is thinking here uses some common sense. It's hitting its highest level ever. There's still a week or so until earnings are due, and he'll probably stay here for a while.

So sell a straddle of 345, buy the ends, create a $10 vertical put, a $10 vertical call, collect $7, and all you're trying to do here is let time pass, stay in that range, and then buy it back for less than $7.

风险在于股价会在财报前波动,其中一个期权会达到10美元。因此,风险回报比非常有利,但记住你是在押注股价在特定区间内波动。所以这是一个特定风险,最后一点,这两个期权345中的一个,无论是“看涨”还是“看跌”,都会落在价格区间内。所以你必须防守这个仓位,Tom。

The risk is that the stock will move ahead of earnings and one of these options will reach $10. Therefore, the return for risk is very favorable, but remember that you are betting on a movement within a specific range.

So it is a specific risk, and one last thing, one of these two options 345, whether it is a "call" or a "put", will be within the price range. So you'll have to defend this position, Tom.

是的,说得好,Kevin。你需要市场稳定,但你会面临其中一个行权价345的短期看跌期权被行权的风险,也就是你卖出看涨期权和看跌期权的那个行权价。关于盈亏平衡点,如果股价下跌,你需要保持在338水平之上;如果上涨,则需要保持在352水平之下。

所以在这个Diane和Kevin的交易中,这是一个中性策略,也就是看跌期权日历价差的示例。

Yes, that's a good point, Kevin. You need market stability, but you will face the risk of allocation on one of the short-term put options at the strike price of 345 where you sold the call option and the put option.

Regarding the breakeven point, you need to stay above the 338 level if it is declining, and below the 352 level if it is rising. So it is a neutral strategy here in the Diane and Kevin deal, the example of a bearish put option calendar.

观察点

11月7日财报中的iPhone Duo销售与利润率走势
Duo销售持续且利润率扩大
11月7日11月7日财报
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