MSFT股价在522美元时被低估,上行空间取决于新款笔记本电脑的发布能否对营收预期产生实质性影响。
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现在是时候深入探讨我们在科技板块的Microsoft故事了,和我一起的是Peter Arntzen,Arntzen Capital Management的首席投资官兼创始人。我们有来自Microsoft的消息,他们宣布推出搭载Nvidia RTX Spark处理器的新款Surface Laptop Ultra。这是件好事吗?这是历史性时刻吗?你来告诉我。
It's time to delve deeper into our Microsoft story in the technology segment, and with me is Peter Arntzen, Chief Investment Officer and founder of Arntzen Capital Management .
We have news from Microsoft about the announcement of the new Surface Laptop Ultra powered by an Nvidia RTX Spark processor. Is this a great thing? Is this a historic moment? You tell me.
嗯,我想Microsoft自己愿意这么认为。是的,但我认为还有其他问题。主要问题是,谁订购了这款产品?听着,我们需要回到营销的基础;如果有某种需求需要被满足,这当然是给公司的一个信号,去开发某种东西。
所以我认为一个挥之不去的问题是,这将如何帮助Microsoft?我的意思是,它会吸引早期采用者吗?你指的是程序员和动画专家吗?如果是这样,这是一个有希望的迹象,但谁会成为中期或后期采用者,尤其是普通消费者,存在一个大大的问号。他们在现阶段需要这样的东西吗?
Well, I think Microsoft would like to think so . Yes, but I think there are other issues. The main question is, who ordered this product? Learn, we need to go back to the basics of marketing; If there is a need to fulfill something, this is of course a signal to the company to develop something.
So I think one of the lingering questions is how will this help Microsoft? I mean , will it attract early adopters? Do you mean programmers and animation experts? If so, this is a promising sign, but there is a big question mark over who the middle or late adopters will be, especially ordinary consumers. Do they need something like this at this stage?
是的,创新始终是一个困难的课题,也是当你身处这样一家大公司时的一个关键决策点。决策通常是集体做出的,所以我认为Microsoft正在迈出我所说的边际性一步,而不是革命性的东西。
当然,在一台笔记本电脑里拥有所有这些AI能力令人印象深刻,但对于像你这样的人,如果我能代表其他人说的话,我不知道我们现在是否真的需要这个。正如我所说,开发者对此非常兴奋,但对我们来说,我认为目前通过云端使用远程数据中心的安排非常适合我们。
Yes, you know, innovation is always a difficult subject and a crucial decision point when you're in a large company like this. Decisions are usually made collectively , so I think Microsoft is taking what I would call a marginal step rather than something revolutionary.
Of course it's impressive to have all these AI capabilities in a laptop, but for people like you, if I can speak for the rest, I don't know if we actually need that right now .
As I said, the developers are very excited about this, but for us, I think the current arrangement using remote data centers via the cloud suits us perfectly.
嗯,我的意思是,这也是众所周知的,你提到了人工智能,我认为那是一个有趣的部分。我的意思是,你可以提一下你对Copilot的看法,比如,但理论上,据我理解,这应该是要与Apple竞争的,尤其是针对AI开发者。
如你所知,Microsoft和Nvidia在这件事上联手,是为了与“MacBook Pro”竞争。那么,人们真的会说“这就是我想做的事”吗?
Well, I mean, it was also known, you know, that you mentioned artificial intelligence, and I think that's an interesting part . I mean, you could mention your opinion on Copilot, for example, but theoretically, this is supposed to compete with Apple, especially for AI developers, as I understand it.
Microsoft and Nvidia are together in this, as you know, to compete with the " MacBook Pro". So, will people really say, "This is what I want to do?"
嗯,他们拥有强大的算力,也许这就是我们在价格点上所考虑的东西。你认为2500美元的价格公平吗?我认为就产品所提供的东西而言,这非常公平,但我认为对普通大众来说太贵了,而且我认为它根本没有竞争力。
但是,正如我所说,对于更有经验的程序员来说,这可能让他们非常兴奋,我真的相信这次推出、这次发布,是直接针对那类用户的。而且,如你所知,我认为我对此思考了很多,关于Microsoft为什么要这么做?
我想象,在战略会议室里,他们为什么会提出这个?我认为这相当简单。我认为他们的电脑销售疲软,所以想提振它。他们通过纳入Nvidia来为其正名,这增加了可信度。然后他们把它呈现给高级用户,希望他们会采用它。
但到目前为止围绕整个问题的大问题,也是最后一部分,是普通消费者会不会这么做?
Um, you know, they have serious computing power, and maybe that's something, I mean, we're thinking about at the price point. Do you think the price of $2500 was fair? I think it's very fair for what the product offers, but I think it's too expensive for the general public, and I don't think it's competitive at all.
But, as I said, for the more experienced programmer, this might be very exciting for them, and I truly believe that this introduction, this launch, was aimed directly at that type of user.
And I, as you know, think I've given a lot of thought to this, in terms of why Microsoft would do that? I imagined, you know, in the strategy room, why they might bring this up ?
I think it's fairly simple. I think their computer sales are weak, so they want to boost that. They justify it by including Nvidia, which adds to the credibility. Then they present it to the advanced user in the hope that they will adopt it.
But the big question surrounding this whole issue so far, and the last part of it, is whether the average consumer will do that?
现在,我知道有关于个人电脑刚出现时的笑话,当时人们想知道为什么会有人想拥有一台家用电脑?当然,如你所知,20到30年后,我们知道原因了。所以,这可能是同样的过程,但要在营销策略上相信这会有未来、大多数人会采用它、并且他们会支付这种价格,这是一个巨大的分析性跳跃。
Now, I know there are jokes about when the personal computer first appeared, where people were wondering why anyone would want to own a home computer ? And of course, as you know, after 20 to 30 years, we knew why.
So, it may be the same process , but it's a huge analytical leap in marketing strategy to believe that this will have a future, that most people will adopt it, and that they will pay this kind of price.
是的,我想发货从10月16日开始,价格可能会大幅上涨。我说的是2500,那是一种起售价。如果你配备所有功能,价格可以达到5000以上。但背后的算力、统一内存,以及它所能实现的AI性能,想必会与这些拥有超过1200亿参数、在本地运行的AI模型做成一笔大交易。
Yes, shipping starts on October 16, I think, and the price could go up a lot. I said 2500, that's a kind of starting price. It can reach more than 5000 if you equip it with all the capabilities.
But the power backing, the unified memory, and the AI performance it can do, presumably make a big deal with these AI models that have over 120 billion laboratories and operate locally.
是的,我的意思是,我们讨厌地称之为“边缘”,这已经成为一个用来描述你所谈论的东西的术语,即终端用户和笔记本电脑。因此,我认为每个人都参与其中,这绝对是事实。我认为Nvidia获益最大,因为他们可能正在审视数据中心和云应用,并说:“好吧,我们能不能让产品线多元化?”
“假设那个领域的发展放缓了。”我们已经看到这还没有发生,但让我们假设它发生了。到那时,Nvidia也会想:“好吧,也许我们也会有这个渠道,也就是终端用户、笔记本电脑。”我的意思是,想想看。
这为Nvidia开辟了一个全新的业务渠道。我认为一年前,如果有人提出Nvidia会对笔记本电脑感兴趣,我们的第一反应会是:“嗯,笔记本电脑在物理上太小了,容纳不下这些GPU,相对较大的GPU。”
所以,既然他们已经解决了那个问题,我认为他们非常聪明。我认为在现阶段他们比Microsoft更精明。
Yes, I mean, you know, we annoyingly call it the " edge," which has become a term used to describe what you're talking about, i.e., the end user and the laptop. Therefore, I think it is absolutely true that everyone is involved in this.
I think Nvidia stands to benefit the most because they are probably looking at data centers and cloud applications and saying, "Okay, can we diversify our product line?" "Let's say something slowed down in that development."
We have seen that this has not yet happened, but let's suppose it has. At that point , Nvidia also thought: "Well, maybe we'll also have this channel, which is the end user, the laptop."
I mean, just think about it . It opens up a completely new business channel for Nvidia. I think that a year ago, if anyone had suggested that Nvidia would be interested in laptops, our first thought would have been : " Well, laptops are physically too small to accommodate these GPUs, relatively large GPUs."
So, now that they have solved that problem, I think they were very clever. I think they are more cunning than Microsoft at this stage.
是的。而且你看,我的意思是,据我理解,虽然我还没有证实这一点,我认为如果你交上你的Apple MacBook Pro,你实际上可以从Microsoft那里获得某种现金退款。我的意思是,这也是存在的一种激励。
但它显然似乎更面向专业人士,而不仅仅是使用这个的普通人。
Yes. And look, I mean, as I understand it, although I haven't confirmed this, I think if you hand in your Apple MacBook Pro , you can actually get some kind of cash refund for that device from Microsoft.
I mean, that's also an incentive that exists there. But it certainly seems geared more towards professionals, not just ordinary people using this.
当你谈到股票时,你想知道这是否会带来额外的购买。你怎么看Microsoft目前522美元的股价?你在监测哪些价位?你对Microsoft未来6到12个月的预期是什么?
When you talked about the stock, you wanted to know if this would lead to additional purchases. What do you think of Microsoft's current stock price of 522? What levels are you monitoring?
What do you expect for Microsoft in the next 6 to 12 months?
嗯,我认为现在的价格反映了其其他渠道的成功。紧迫的问题是个人电脑渠道。Microsoft自己也承认,在想法方面,它在现阶段一直有些停滞,直到昨天他们宣布了这个。所以,取决于事情如何发展,我们将关注的是这次新发布能否实质性地影响基于笔记本电脑销售的营收预测。
如果是这样,我相信当前股价被低估了,因为我真的相信当前价格反映了这个区间内的这种不确定性。
Well, I think the price now reflects the success in its other channels. The pressing question is the personal computer channel. Microsoft itself has admitted that it has been somewhat stagnant at this stage in terms of ideas until yesterday when they announced this.
So, depending on how things go, what we will be looking at is whether this new launch can materially impact revenue projections based on laptop sales. If that is the case, I believe the current share price is undervalued , because I truly believe that the current price reflects this uncertainty in this range.
嗯,当前水平是522,这是过去52周的最高点,而Microsoft曾录得553。该股自年初以来上涨了约8%。我们将看看这是否真的能让投资者动起来。考虑将Nvidia技术整合到Microsoft电脑中,也许还有HP和Dell,谁知道还有谁,这是一个有点新的概念。
这可能扩展到包括个人电脑。Lenovo是另一个被提到的公司。所以,我们看看会发生什么。谢谢。
Well, the current level is 522, which is the highest in the last 52 weeks, while Microsoft recorded 553. The stock has risen by about 8% since the beginning of the year. We'll see if this actually gets investors moving .
It is a somewhat new concept to think about integrating Nvidia technology into Microsoft computers, and perhaps HP and Dell, and who knows who else. This may be extended to include personal computers.
Lenovo was another company that was mentioned. So, we'll see what happens. Thank you.
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