$NBIS · The Motley Fool · 2026-11-04
NBIS是一家真实且正在成长的新云(neocloud)公司,预计今年ARR达30亿美元,明年约80亿美元;GPU价格高企和未售出产能可能使其财报表现强劲。但低于行权价的可持续债券会带来未来稀释/现金风险,资本成本压力可能引发类似SunEdison的螺旋式恶化,因此该视频观点分歧且谨慎,其中一种立场是不投资任何新云公司。
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但是,嗯,是的,比如现在的走势,Nebus,对吧?大家都在谈论得克萨斯。哦,>> 但 Nebus 在得克萨斯根本没有任何数据中心计划,而且它还在下跌。
But, uh yeah, the the moves right now, for example, a Nebus, right? Everybody's talking about Texas. Oh, >> but but Nebus doesn't even have any any data center plans for for Texas and and let it's down.
Nibbius 在下跌。你在评论区里提了一些质疑,我就在这里给你列出来。不比五年前的 spaxs 好。就是这些 neoclouds。
Nibbius is down. uh you're taking some shots here in the comments um that I'll just throw up here for you. Uh no better than the spaxs of five years ago. Uh these these neoclouds.
我认为 Nebus 在可预见的未来会一直存在。但以 Nebus 为例,我不认为我见过 spaxs 像它们现在这样增长。我不认为我见过 spaxs 执行得这么好。我,是的。
I think Nebus will will be here for the foreseeable future. But a Nebus for example, I don't think I've seen spaxs grow the way that they are growing. I don't think I've seen spaxs execute. I some Yes.
Nebus 今年的 ARR 预计是 30 亿美元。明年我认为大概是 80 亿,比如 exit one 是 80 亿,大概率会高得多。27 年的 exit rate ARR 是 4。这是因为这门生意是真正的生意。它在增长。
Um Nebus ARR for this year is expected to be $3 billion. It's next year I think 8 billion or so like exit one is is 8 billion probably going to be way higher. uh exit rate AR R4 for 27.
This is because the business is a real business. It's growing.
我还认为,如果你看这门生意的利润率以及他们下周的财报,我想是一周后或者下周四早上,我认为他们的财报,加上高 GPU 价格、他们的拍卖服务、以及他们产能没有售罄这一事实,所以他们能从 GPU 涨价中受益。
我认为这可能也会把这家公司推到整个 AI 交易中那个特定领域里独一档的位置。
I I also think that if you look at the margins of the business and their report next week, I think a week from now or next Thursday morning, I think their report with the high GPU prices, with their their auction service, with the fact that they're not sold out of capacity, so they can benefit from raising prices of GPUs.
I think that could push the company also in a league of their own in that specific sector of this whole AI trade.
但没错,那些确实需要巨额债务、行动速度不够快、没有能力从当前高 GPU 价格和超高需求中受益的公司,它们大概率会陷入困境,因为它们需要资本。而正如我们所知,资本市场是关闭的,或者说要付出相当高的代价才能拿到钱,这会给某些参与者带来问题。
But yeah, companies that do need an insane amount of debt, that are not moving as fast as they can, that don't have the capacity to benefit from high GPU prices and super high demand right now.
They probably will will struggle because they'll need capital. And as we know the capital markets are closed or asking for for quite a lot to get to get money and that's going to create issues for certain players.
我认为明天 IN 会发布财报,但 IN 是最小的参与者,所以在这里有点无关紧要。但 Nebus 就是 Nebus,而 Kore 大概率下周会很有意思。
I think tomorrow IN reports but IN is the smallest player so it's a bit it's a bit irrelevant here but but Nebus is a Nebus and Kore probably next week is is very interesting
具体说到 Nebu,我只谈 Nebus,因为这是我最大的 NeoCloud 持仓。这是一家过去做过大事的公司。他们打造了 Yandex,我记得那是一家市值 300 亿美元的公司,俄罗斯公司,他们称之为俄罗斯的 Google。
所以他们在构建这类东西方面有经验,尤其是在 AI 数据中心这个领域。所以他们不是来自加密行业。他们以前不是比特币矿工。这差别很大。
And with Nebu specifically, I I only talk about Nebus because it is my biggest NeoCloud player position. It's a company that has done something big in the past. They build up Yandex, which was I think a $30 billion company, Russian company, the the Google of Russia they called it.
So they have experience building these types of things before, especially in the AI data center type of of space. So they aren't they aren't coming from the crypto industry. They weren't Bitcoin miners before. That that makes a big difference.
具体说到 Nibbius,你喜欢在我的推文下评论这件事,但他们的挑战在于,他们发行的主要是可转换债券,这意味着票息成本其实无关紧要,因为你要把期权成本加到股票上,如果你把股票的期权成本加在上面,你可能会说,我的借贷成本只有 2%。
但那不是真实成本,因为你加上了这个成本,也就是未来潜在的稀释。问题在于,股价现在已经跌破了其中大多数行权价。所以到了那个期限结束时,我不记得第一个日期是什么,也许是 2030 年,也许是 2029 年,那时你就得拿出几十亿美元,而不只是说,好吧,我们被稀释了。
你知道,如果股价是每股 400 美元,你只会说,这甚至算不上真正的债务。这只是稀释。我们实际上已经以更高的价格卖出了那些股票。所以,这才是真正的挑战。
uh Nibbius specifically and I've gotten you know you like to comment on my tweets about this but uh their challenge is they have issued mostly convertible debt which means that that coupon cost is kind of irrelevant is because you add the the option cost to the stock and if you have the option cost of the stock on top of that you could say well my borrowing cost is only 2%.
Well, that's not the true cost because you've added on this cost with that is the potential future dilution. The problem is that the stock has now fallen below most of those strike prices.
So now at the end of that term, and I don't I don't remember what the first date is, maybe 2030, maybe 2029, uh then you start to have to come up with the several billions of dollars, not just well, we get diluted.
You know, if the stock was $400 a share, you'd just be like, man, it's not even really debt. It's just dilution. We've already effectively sold that stock for a a higher price. So, that's the real challenge.
而且,如果你不熟悉、没有跟踪过这个故事,我认为这个领域的挑战是 Sun Edison。完全相同的商业模式,只是处在太阳能行业,只不过合同不是几年,而是 20 年。一旦资本市场对他们关闭,他们就完蛋了。
他们最终破产了。这种情况会发生,因为你的收入、债务、资本成本和你实际产生的回报之间存在错配。而且我们仍处于这些商业模式的阶段,你可以说,嘿,我们现在建的东西回本周期真的很短,但六个月后还会是这样吗?
一年后还会是这样吗?有很多事情会变化,一旦资本成本超过你的实际回报,你就会陷入螺旋式下滑。这就是我对这些公司担心的地方。这就是为什么我对这些 NeoCloud 都很谨慎。我没有投资任何一家。
我不会碰它们,因为这根本不是一个赌注。我见过那个赌注出错。
Um, and don't think the the challenge in this space if you if you are not familiar and haven't followed by the story I was go with is Sun Edison. Same exact business model just in the solar industry except the contracts instead of being a couple of years, the contracts were 20 years.
As soon as the capital markets closed to them, they were toast. um and they ended up going bankrupt. And that can happen because you have a mismatch between your revenue and your debt and your cost of capital and what you're actually generating in a return.
And we are still in a phase with these business models that you can sort of say, hey, you know what? This has a really low payback for the thing that we're building right now, but is that going to be true in six months?
Is it going to be true in a year? There's a lot of things that change, you know, and as soon as that capital cost goes above what your actual return is, you're in a downward spiral.
And that's what I worry about with these companies. That's why I uh that's that's why I am just cautious about I I have not invested in any of these NEOClouds. I'm not going to touch them because it's just not a it's not a bet. I've seen that bet go wrong.
很大程度上也是因为我认为 Nebus 会给我们一些关于 2027 年的信息,也许 core reef 也是。这样我们就能更清楚地了解他们对预付款的看法、他们将如何满足资本开支需求、谁来付、他们怎么付。
mostly also because I do think Nebus will give us some color of 2027 maybe core reef as well. So we could get a a clearer picture of of what they're seeing for prepayments how they're going to meet their capex requirement who pays for it how do they pay for it.
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