NFLX 在本次财报前不宜买入:隐含波动率9%,过去财报后跌幅达2%-10%,如同俄罗斯轮盘赌。今年以来下跌25%,而标普上涨13%-14%;一年内下跌42%。需要改善第四季度指引,否则年底可能面临沉重抛售;广告业务或可贡献30亿美元。
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那么,我们现在来看看Netflix。我们想听听你对这个话题的一些看法。显然存在一些考验。竞争很激烈。你已经有乐观的看法,也有悲观的看法。那我们来稍微梳理一下。你觉得人们对今天的报告都在说些什么?
So, here we are taking a look at Netflix. We would like to know some of your thoughts on this topic. There are obviously some tests. There is strong competition. You already have an optimistic point of view and a pessimistic one.
So, let's review that a little. What do you think people are saying about today's report?
如果你今天进场做这笔交易,就像在玩俄罗斯轮盘赌。这也许不是个好主意,Nicole。隐含波动率是9%。这非常高。这意味着在财报公布之后,价格可能会在六十出头或七十多的高位区间波动。对隐含波动率来说,这是相当大的波动幅度。
If you enter into this deal today, it's like playing Russian roulette. Perhaps it's not a good idea, Nicole. You know, the implied volatility is 9%. This is extremely high. This means that after the earnings announcement, the price may fluctuate in the low sixties or high seventies.
That's a fairly large move , you know , for implied volatility.
我们必须记住,在过去四个季度里,财报公布之后,这只股票下跌了2%到10%之间。所以,鉴于这一切,他们需要给我们一些信心,说明我们为什么要投资Netflix。
We must remember that in the past four quarters, after the earnings announcement, the stock has fallen by between 2% and 10%. So, they need to give us some confidence about why we would want to invest in Netflix, given all of that.
正如你所知,年初以来,标准普尔指数上涨了13%或14%。与此同时,Netflix的股票下跌了25%。因此,很难为乐观找到有力的论据。
Since the beginning of the year, as you know, the Standard & Poor's index has risen by 13 or 14%. Meanwhile, Netflix's stock fell by 25%. Therefore, it is difficult to build a strong argument for optimism.
但就今晚而言,急着进场做这笔交易似乎并不合逻辑。你看,这只股票已经下跌了。自年初以来,也就是2026年以来,它下跌了约25%,而在整整一年里,它下跌了42%。
But for tonight, rushing into this deal doesn't seem logical. Look, the stock has already fallen. It has fallen by about 25% since the beginning of the year, i.e., 2026, and over the course of a whole year it has fallen by 42%.
我从没听谁来找我说他们取消了Netflix订阅。他们根本不会这么做。这是一项相当成熟的服务。你看,他们是第一个进入这个领域的。部分原因是惯性。他们可能懒得打电话去退订。
I've never heard anyone come to me and say that they have cancelled their Netflix subscription. They simply don't. It is a fairly well-established service . Look, they were the first to enter this field.
Part of that is due to inertia. They may be too lazy to call and unsubscribe.
你看,他们面临很多竞争。看看现在的YouTube。还有HBO Max、Paramount等等。人们往往会在这些平台之间频繁切换。比如,我有几部电影要看。我想看的剧集我差不多看完了。
我是一次性看完的。让我换点别的看。但它依然站得住脚。
Look, they have a lot of competition. Look at YouTube now. Um, you have HBO Max, Paramount, etc. They often tend to move around a lot. For example, well, I have a few movies I'm going to watch.
I've sort of finished the series I wanted to watch. I watched it all at once. Let me move on to something else. But it holds up well.
Nicole,要把这幅图拼起来,最难的部分在于他们不再向我们提供订阅用户数了。他们上一次提供是在2024年底,当时他们在全球有超过3.01亿订阅用户,或者我该说是付费会员。
You know, Nicole, the hardest part of putting this picture together is that they no longer provide us with subscription numbers. The last time they did that was at the end of 2024 when they had more than 301 million subscribers, or paying members as I should say, around the world.
所以他们的机会在于,尝试率先主动把这项功能加上去,并努力获取它。但话说回来,我们没有那个数字,也没有获取客户的成本。这就是获客成本,对吧?这个我们也没有。所以我们多少需要知道Netflix要往哪个方向走。
So their opportunity is to try to add that feature as the first to take the initiative, and try to acquire it. But again, we don't have that number and we don't have the cost of acquiring the customer.
This is the cost of the acquisition, isn't it? We don't own it either. So we kind of need to know where Netflix is headed.
这是我想了解的两大关键部分;也许凭借他们手头的一些东西,订阅增长会回升。《Below》是一部新的热门剧集。我不了解整个故事。它是关于一个渔夫,还有水之类的东西。但你看,在感恩节那天,他们要转播NFL的比赛。这是第一次。所以,WWE摔角节目是现场娱乐。
These are two big pieces of the puzzle I'd like to know about ; perhaps subscription growth will pick up with some of the things they have. "Below" is a new hit series . Um, I don't know the whole story.
It's about a fisherman and...water and things like that . Um, but look, on Thanksgiving Day , they're going to be showing NFL games . That's the first time. So, um, WWE wrestling shows are live entertainment.
Netflix可能正试图摆脱传统电影和剧集,也许再次转向更多的直播内容。这或许是推动订阅增长的一个办法,尽管我们看不到那些数字。
Netflix may be trying to move away from traditional movies and series, and perhaps again towards more live streaming. That may be one thing to increase subscriber growth, even though we don't see those numbers.
是的,我觉得你关于这些数字、以及我们同时失去了过去那种视野的观点说得很好。他们手上有某些东西,我不知道,叫“火药”还是随便你怎么称呼。我的意思是,他们需要再推出一部《鱿鱼游戏》,然后就能重回正轨。
我的意思是,Ben Affleck的《Animals》到这个时候已经是全球范围内的赢家,尽管它并没有得到很好的评价。
Yes, I think you made a great point about the numbers and our lack of the same vision we used to have at the same time. Um, you know , you know they have certain things, I don't know, "gunpowder," or whatever you want to call it.
I mean, they need to release another "Squid Game" and they'll be back on track. I mean, Ben Affleck's "Animals" was a worldwide winner at this point even though it did n't get great reviews.
我上周末看了。人们在这个阶段仍然会去看这类东西。我上周末看了《Remarkably Bright Creatures》。我其实不是那种经常看电视的人。所以我看了一些这类节目,但我要说的是,我看到营收同比增长超过10%,大约12%,问题在于,他们在裁员,对吧?
只是为了控制成本,但他们在领导层上做了一些调整,我想知道这可能会或可能不会带来什么帮助。
I watched it last weekend. Oh, you know, it's something people are still turning to at this stage. I watched "Remarkably Bright Creatures " last weekend. I'm not actually the type of person who watches a lot of television.
So I watched some of these shows , but what I will say is that I see revenues up over 10% year-on-year, around 12%, and the question is, they are cutting jobs, aren't they ? Just to keep costs down, but they are making some changes to the leadership and I wonder how that may or may not help.
Nicole,这其实和创意总监有关。他们中很多人是元老,已经被新人取代了。你知道,你可以再得到一部《鱿鱼游戏》,我想我会对这些故事一笑置之。是的,局面确实可能为他们打开。你知道,有时候人们会在初期牺牲利润来吸引客户。
他们为了一部剧而来,然后迷上其他剧,因为Netflix做得很好;当你在她的平台上时,你可以说:“我想看这样的剧。”我想看看它是什么样;他们提供很多优质的客户服务。
Well, Nicole, it really has to do with the creative directors. Many of them were old-timers and have been replaced by new ones. You know, you can get another "Squid Game" and I think I'll laugh at these stories.
Yes, things can really open up for them. You know, sometimes people sacrifice profit at the beginning to attract customers. They come for one show and then get hooked on other shows , because Netflix is doing a great job; When you are on her platform, you can say, "I want to watch a show like this."
I want to see what it's like; they offer a lot of good customer service.
但回到你的观点,年营收增长了12%,可股票却下跌了40%。所以,我们知道利润率有点紧张,内容成本在上升。正如我们之前说的,我们并不一定知道获客成本,但内容非常昂贵。如果你要花数十亿在原创内容上,最好有充分的理由,否则股东不会给你回报,而他们正是通过回避这只股票做到了这一点。
But to get back to your point, annual revenue increased by 12%, yet the stock fell by 40%. So, we know that margins are a little tight, and the cost of content is increasing. We don't necessarily know the cost of the acquisition, as we said before, but the content is very expensive.
If you're going to spend billions on original software, you'd better have a good reason to do so, otherwise shareholders won't reward you, which is what they did by avoiding the stock.
是的,我的意思是广告也是一个亮点。据我了解,预计这个数字今年可能翻倍,达到30亿。因此,他们在这里有一种不易被竞争的地位。我知道他们正在争夺YouTube和TikTok上的观众,所以竞争格局很艰难。
Yes, I mean the advertisements were also a bright spot. It is estimated that this number could double this year to reach 3 billion, according to my understanding. Therefore , they have a kind of presence here that is not easy to compete with.
I know they are competing to attract viewers who are on YouTube and TikTok, so the landscape is difficult.
但关于负面展望,你认为这只股票可能跌到什么程度?正如你写的,YouTube占观看时长约14%,而Netflix占8%。这不是好事。目前,该股价格为69美元,低于一年前124美元的峰值。没错,所以他们的数据并不好。
But regarding the negative outlook, how far do you think this stock could fall? As you wrote, YouTube accounts for about 14% of viewing time compared to 8% for Netflix. This is not a good thing.
Currently, the stock is priced at $69, down from its peak of $124 a year ago. That's right, so their numbers aren't good.
你看,很大程度上将取决于未来的指引。我认为这几乎适用于所有科技公司。关键不是他们过去做了什么,那已经过去了。9月30日结束的第三季度已经过去。第四季度和今年剩余时间你们将为我们做什么?
Look, a lot will depend on future guidance . I think this applies to almost all technology companies. It's not about what they did in the past; that's in the past. The third quarter, which ended on September 30, is behind us .
What will you do for us in the fourth quarter and the rest of the year?
至于Netflix,如果他们不能改善情况,他们将容易遭受大规模抛售,并将录得税项亏损。你知道,表现好的股票往往会升值,不是吗?改善整体外观,让它看起来好像每个人都持有苹果和微软的股票。
另一方面,表现不佳的股票在12月中上旬甚至年底容易受到强劲的抛售压力,因为大多数资金经理不想把Netflix列入他们的十大投资名单。
As for Netflix, if they cannot improve things, they will be vulnerable to massive sales and will record tax losses. You know, stocks that have performed well tend to increase in value, don't they?
Improving the overall appearance, to make it look as if everyone owns shares in Apple and Microsoft. On the other hand, underperforming stocks are susceptible to strong selling pressure in mid- or early December and even to the end of the year, as most money managers do not want to include Netflix in their top 10 investment list .
另外,我认为你说得很有道理,不是吗?我理解原因,因为这是一只非常下跌的股票,没有人希望自己的投资组合里有一个大输家,对吧?
Also, I think you're making a good point, aren't you ? I understand the reason because it's a very declining stock and nobody wants a big loser in their portfolio, right?
Peter Rice也加入了我们,不是吗?这位前Walt Disney高管最近被任命来吸引更广泛的受众,他有许多任务来提升公司在大局中的地位。他当然在这个行业有足迹,知道如何完成工作。
他们在内容上挥金如土。这是我之前一直在研究的事情。我相信金额达到了大约200亿。
Um, Peter Rice has also joined us , hasn't he? The former Walt Disney executive, who was recently appointed to attract a wider audience, has many tasks to enhance the company's position in the big picture.
He certainly has a footprint in this industry and knows how to get the job done. They were spending lavishly on content. This is something I was looking into earlier. I believe the amount reached approximately 20 billion.
那么,公司将提供什么类型的原创或独家内容?但引入新的领导层可能对此有帮助。我们只能拭目以待。但问题也涉及互动的方向。如果这些趋势确实在下降,那会损害收入吗?
So, what type of original or exclusive content will the company provide? But bringing in new leadership might help with this. We'll have to wait and see. But the question also relates to the directions of interaction.
If these trends are indeed declining, will that hurt revenues?
所以,嗯,内容支出是我理解的事情。对于这些广播公司来说,体育直播绝对是核心。我们确实看到它非常有利可图。嗯,也许这里有一些总结性的想法,关于你到底在寻找什么,以及什么可能在这里产生重大影响。
So, umm, spending on content is something I understand. Live sports are definitely at the heart of it when it comes to these broadcasters. We have certainly seen that it is very profitable.
Um, perhaps some concluding thoughts here about what exactly you're looking for and what might make a big difference here.
所以,如你所知,多年来CEO一直说:“如果人们注册服务,我们不会让他们为广告付费。”我认为那个阶段已经结束。我认为我们都能接受一两个公告。比如说是一部汽车电影,或一部事故电影,或随便什么。
你可以展示一辆Dodge或Chrysler,所以我认为他们应该放弃这个想法,尽管我知道他们有黄金和白金服务以及不同类型的订阅。
So, as you know, for years the CEO has said, "We're not going to make people pay for ads if they sign up for the service." I think that phase is over. I think we can all live with one or two announcements.
Let's say it's a car movie, or an accident movie, or whatever. You could display a Dodge or a Chrysler, so I think they should abandon this idea, even though I know they have gold and platinum services and different types of subscriptions.
但正如我提到的,最大的机会是大约30亿美元可能来自广告。而且我认为你实际上可以说服那些付费无广告的人一点。我知道他们会怪我。我也不喜欢广告,但我认为这是最好的机会。他们有超过3亿会员。
再次,这是我们从2024年知道的数字。包含一些定向广告是多好的机会。那个数字可能不仅仅是额外的30亿美元。可能是50或60亿美元。因此,我认为管理层需要退一步。我知道他们承诺不会有广告,但我认为这是作为激励为Netflix带来更多收入的最佳想法。
But the biggest opportunity, as I mentioned, is about $3 billion that could come from advertising. And I think you can actually convince those who pay for no ads a little. I know they will blame me.
I also don't like advertisements, but I think it's the best opportunity. They have over 300 million members. Again, this is the number we know from 2024. What an opportunity to include a few targeted ads.
And that figure may not be just an additional $3 billion . It might be 5 or 6 billion dollars. Therefore, I think the administration needs to take a step back . I know they promised there would be no ads, but I think this is the best idea as an incentive to bring in more revenue for Netflix.
是的,你看,他们最近一直在裁员。问题是他们会更多地谈论这个,还是谈论他们总体上如何削减成本。Ken,很高兴见到你,感谢你在这里关于Netflix的所有见解。我迫不及待想听到这家股票目前价格为69.33美元的公司会说什么。
Yes, and look, they've been laying off workers recently. The question is whether they will talk more about that or about how they are reducing costs in general. Ken, it's great to see you and thanks for all your insights here regarding Netflix.
I can't wait to hear what the company, whose stock is currently priced at $69.33, has to say.
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这个频道对 $NFLX 的历次判断
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