$NKE

NKE 并非买入标的;门店空置与利润下滑印证了市场的负面看法,因此它不符合价值投资组合的要求。

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《A Few Notes on When Might Nike Stock Bottom Out! When To BUY?》
Value Investing with Sven Carlin, Ph.D.发布 2026-10-05 · 29 段内容
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Nike 股价持续下跌。如果继续这样下去,我们会把它作为一个渠道买入。我会当 CEO。一个月前我们讨论过它如何开始看起来像一个买入机会。当时它是 40,现在它已经跌到三十几了。

现在它要么闻起来像便宜货的机会,要么真的闻起来像旧鞋。

Nike shares are in continuous decline. If it continues in this manner, we will buy it as a channel. I will be the CEO. We discussed a month ago how it started to look like a buying opportunity.

Well, she was 40 , and now she's in her thirties. Now it either smells like a bargain opportunity or it really does smell like old shoes.

会削减股息吗?他们说不会,但永远不要相信他们。因此,根本问题是 Nike 何时触底?我 Nike 分析中的这一部分,是我为了考虑将 Nike、Lululemon 等纳入我的多元化投资组合而做的,我管理着一个以超过 20 只股票为目标投资组合。

Is a reduction in dividends coming? They say no, but never trust them. Therefore, the fundamental question is when will Nike hit rock bottom? This part of my Nike analysis is what I do to consider including Nike, Lululemon, and others in my diversified portfolio, where I manage a portfolio with the goal of reaching more than 20 names.

让我们继续看 Nike 的利润。这里第一件刺眼的事是,Nike 在过去几年一直是一家成长型公司。他们应该在投资者关系页面上告诉你我们是一家成长型公司,但他们真的是吗?

Let's move on to Nike's profits. The first thing that hurts your eyes here is that Nike has been a growth company for the past few years . They should tell you on their investor relations page that we are a growth company, but are they really?

因为如果我们看营收,第一季度下降了 4%,按汇率中性计算下降了 5%,这很糟糕。他们能够管理一些成本,也许还有部分库存。毛利率略有改善,但幅度不大。

Because if we look at revenues, the first quarter was down 4%, and 5% on a currency-neutral basis, and that's bad. They were able to manage some of the costs, and perhaps some of the inventory.

The gross profit margin improved slightly, but not by much.

摊薄每股收益大约是半美元,你会说乘以四,但那是夏天的时候,那会是两美元,所以还是有一些东西,但没有达到需要的速度。

Diluted earnings per share are roughly half a dollar, you'd say multiply by four, but that was in the summer, it would be two dollars , so there's still something, but not as fast as needed.

库存,正如我所说,下降了 3%。当他们不再囤积库存时,这总是一件好事。

Inventories, as I said, have decreased by 3%. This is always a good thing when they are not stockpiling stocks.

现金及其短期投资等价物,80 亿。他们有 90 亿的债务。所以,这就是那里的净状况,而且他们每季度支付股息,甚至比上一年还增长了 3%。

Cash and its equivalent in short- term investments, 8 billion. They have 9 billion in debt. So, that's the net situation there, and they are paying out quarterly dividends , up 3% even from the previous year.

不过,下降 5% 还可以。预测甚至更糟。他们预计会有个位数的显著下降。可能是六,也可能是九。这导致股价进一步崩跌。我们已经有半美元的利润,而指引指向 1.15 到 1.3 之间。

接下来的三个季度将比本季度少得多。因此,情况很丑陋。或者换句话说,情况非常糟糕。

However, a 5% decrease is okay. The forecast is even worse . They are expecting a significant drop in the single digits . It could be six, or it could be nine. This led to a further collapse in the stock price .

We already have half a dollar of profit, and the guidance points to between 1.15 and 1.3. This will be much less in the next three quarters compared to this quarter. Therefore, the situation is ugly.

Or to put it another way, the situation is very bad.

而就 Nike 而言,这代表一种威胁。我从 2019 年就开始关注 Nike。我们会讨论这个。总是有承诺说下半年情况会好转,2028 年会好转,会好转,会好转。这总是那套说辞。

And when it comes to Nike, this represents a threat. I've been watching Nike since 2019. We'll discuss that. There are always promises that things will get better in the second half of the year, and will get better in 2028, and will get better, and will get better. That's always the story.

说到市盈率,33 除以平均收益得出 26 的比率。

Speaking of the price- to-earnings ratio, 33 divided by average earnings gives a ratio of 26.

而当你看到股息覆盖率时,如果你看他们支付的,每年 1.64,如果他们赚 1.25,那么股息就没有被收益覆盖。所以,什么都不剩了。这意味着他们可能能够继续一段时间,承担新债务或其他什么来维持分配,但如果基于他们创新的预期增长在未来九个月内没有实现,这意味着股息很可能会被削减。

股息削减从来不会计入价格,所以股价可能进一步下跌。

And when you look at dividend coverage, if you look at what they pay out, 1.64 annually, and if they earn 1.25, then the dividends are not covered by the earnings. So, there is nothing left .

This means they may be able to continue for a while, taking on new debt or something to maintain the distributions, but if the expected growth returns based on their innovations are not realized over the next nine months, it means that the dividends are likely to be reduced .

A reduction in dividends is never included in the price , so the stock may fall further.

然后我们进入财报电话会议,管理层总是积极的。很明显,我们正在为我们的公司建立更坚实的基础。过去几年你们在做什么?所以,这总是管理层;你可以读文本,你可以听电话会议,但管理层说的大部分都是预先编程的。

我们会说这个,这个,这个。他们读、说、讨论一些东西,支持他们正在进行的攻击,然后他们展示增长——Nike 连续五个季度的增长。

Then we move on to the earnings call, and management is always positive. It is clear that we are building a much stronger foundation for our company. What have you been doing for the past few years ?

So , this is always management; you can read the text, you can listen to the call, but most of what management says is pre-programmed. We will say this, and this, and this. They read, talk, and discuss something, support the attack they are making , and then they show growth— five consecutive quarters of Nike growth.

他们在北美实现了增长。北美批发部门的营收增长了 4%。是的。我认为世界杯本季度就在北美,而增长只有 4%。这意味着比较将非常糟糕。他们提前几个季度就把世界杯宣传为一个关键事件。

现在,没人在谈论它了。除了这里,好吧。到第一周,他们在各种故事上已经获得了 15 亿次观看。

They have achieved growth in North America. Revenues grew by 4% in the North American wholesale sector. Yes. I think the World Cup was in North America this quarter, and growth was only 4%.

This means the comparisons will be terrible. They were announcing the World Cup as a pivotal event a few quarters in advance. Now, nobody is talking about it. Except here, okay.

By the first week, they had garnered 1.5 billion views on their various stories.

当一家大公司讨论故事获得十亿次观看时,按这个标准,我每月也有一百万次观看。我,就我一个人,手机,我的编辑,这就是整个团队。我不是运动服历史上最大的品牌。而我得到了什么?那是什么?

1500 股 Nike。所以,没那么多。这些只是短期的故事,不是长期的愿景。而且我不是 Cristiano Ronaldo 或任何人。

When a large company is discussing a billion views on stories, by that metric, I also get a million views per month. Me, just me, the phone, my editor, and that's the whole team.

I am not the biggest brand in the history of sportswear. And what do I get ? What is that? 1500 shares of Nike. So, not that much. These are just short-term stories, not long-term visions . And I am not Cristiano Ronaldo or anyone else.

不管怎样,让我们回到讨论。问题是,一切都关乎创新,以及如何实现复苏,因为复苏是他们需要的。他们正以此为基础,寄希望于创新,而过去几年他们一直在讨论这种创新。中国的情况很糟糕,但你永远不知道,也许有一天情况会改变。

但他们正在管理成本,专注于 2027 年,并希望 2028 年情况会改善。但在过去几年里,它总是关于明年。

Anyway, let's get back to the discussion. The question is, it's all about innovation, and how recovery will be achieved, because recovery is what they need. They are building on that with the hope of innovation, and they have been discussing this innovation for the past few years .

China's situation is bad, but you never know, maybe things will change someday. But they are managing costs, focusing on 2027, and hoping things will improve in 2028. But in the past few years, it has always been about next year.

现在,分析师们没有就资本配置、现金流或问题提出过任何一个问题,什么都没有。要么他们不在乎,要么他们不被允许问这个问题。因为那会是任何人都会问的第一个问题。鉴于预期如此之低,那分红派息呢,还有这个那个的呢?

这些问题都去哪儿了?没有人问。就这些。他们确信自己在市场上的投资会在未来多年带来回报。但话说回来,他们并没有说我们会维持分红派息。总之,我只是看了看那些没有提出正确问题的分析师。

Now, the analysts haven't asked a single question about capital allocation, cash flows, or problems, nothing. Either they don't care, or they are not allowed to ask this question.

Because that would be the first question anyone would ask . What about dividend payouts, and this and that , given the low expectations? Where were the questions? no one. That's all .

They are confident that their investments in the market will pay off for years to come. But again, they didn't say we would maintain the dividend payouts . Anyway, I just looked at analysts who aren't asking the right questions.

所有人都下调了它的评级;美国银行、摩根士丹利和瑞银下调至40,明白吗?避免持有Nike股票;这是一个卖出建议。Jefferies将其评级下调至跑输大盘,目标价24。

Everyone downgraded its rating; Bank of America, Morgan Stanley, and UBS to 40, okay? Avoid owning Nike stock; this is a sell recommendation. Jefferies lowered its rating to underperform the market at 24.

但这正是我想讨论的。当Nike股价在160时,如今下调其评级的同一批分析师给出的目标价是183。你可以看到,他们永远只是在追随股价。这些人居然还能保住工作,真是不可思议。

But that's what I want to discuss. When Nike's stock was at 160, the target by the same analysts who are now downgrading it was 183. You can see that they only ever follow the stock price .

It's incredible how these people still keep their jobs.

六年前,这只股票一路飙升,而且很可能要下跌。我们5个月前也讨论过这一点。当然,迈克尔·乔丹也是我童年的英雄。不过,这与昨天Morning Star UK的推荐形成了有趣的对比。

你决定听谁的。谁都别听。完全不要相信我。看信息,然后自己做决定。我想讨论的只是风险和回报。要改善需要发生什么?什么情况可能让事情变得更糟,并把它与价格进行比较。我们不是来做预测的。

我们是来讨论风险和回报的,然后你可以自己决定它是否适合你。

Six years ago, the stock was soaring high , and it was likely to fall. We discussed that too 5 months ago. Of course, Michael Jordan was also my childhood hero. However, there is an interesting contrast with yesterday's Morning Star UK recommendation .

You decide who you listen to. Don't listen to anyone. Don't trust me at all. Look at the information, then make your own decision. What I'm trying to discuss is simply the risk and the reward.

What needs to happen for things to improve? What could happen to make things worse, and compare that to the price . We are not here to make predictions. We are here to discuss the risks and returns, and then you can decide whether it is right for you.

如果我们根据他们的预测进行调整,今年的市盈率仍然是26。前提是他们能实现它。但是,如果你看看Nike,它曾经是一家成长型公司,然后在过去两年里,它不再是一家成长型公司了。

The price-to-earnings ratio is still 26 for this year if we adjust based on their forecasts. If they manage to achieve it. But, if you look at Nike, it used to be a growth company, and then in the last two years it's no longer a growth company.

利润几乎翻了一番。哦,峰值是2022年的60亿。好。现在我们到了30亿,而且还在进一步下滑。每股收益曾是3.73,而现在我们未来12个月是每股1.2美元。

Profits have almost doubled. Oh, the peak was 6 billion in 2022. Okay. Now we are at 3 billion, and we are falling further. Earnings per share were 3.73, and now we are at $1.2 per share over the next 12 months.

他们稍微看了一下长期债务。其中一部分被转换成了短期债务。因此,这很可能也会受到批评。很难想象他们会承担额外的低成本债务来维持分红派息。他们应该取消分红。

They looked a little at long-term debt. Part of it was converted into short-term debt. Therefore , it is likely that this is also covered by criticism . It is difficult to imagine that they would take on additional easy debt to maintain dividend payouts. They should cancel it.

所以,有几点我需要讨论。首先,这个行业处于非常糟糕的状态。如果我们回到彼得·林奇,他会告诉你如何应对投资这类公司。我在这里的视频中就有相关内容。你可以在下方描述中的链接查看我不久前制作的视频。

这是我最重要的视频之一,欢迎观看。那么,当经济或行业再次好转时,如果人们重新开始跑步或类似的事情,或者穿着运动服四处走动变得很酷——而运动服已经不像两三年前那么时尚了。如果你在周期的错误时点买入,50%的跌幅是正常的。

当谈到时尚公司时,我们也可以讨论单个公司的周期。但你可能要等上几年才能看到另一次上涨。我们也会讨论这一点。

So, there are a few points I need to discuss. Firstly , the sector is in a very bad state . If we go back to Peter Lynch, he tells you how to deal with investing in these companies.

Here we have that from my video. You can check out the video I made a while ago at the link in the description below. This is one of my most important videos, so feel free to watch it.

So , when the economy or sector gets better again, if people start running again or something like that, or it becomes cool to walk around in sportswear , which is not as fashionable as it was two or three years ago.

Drops of 50% are normal if you buy in the wrong part of the cycle. We can also discuss the individual company cycle when it comes to fashion companies. But you may have to wait years before seeing another rise. We will discuss that as well.

消费者偏好已经改变,或者竞争太激烈了,并不是说人们不像三年前那样想穿Nike了。但三年之后,也就是未来,人们可能又会厌倦它。哦,而且Nike是那种人人都能买到的、容易获得的东西,如果这种情况发生,你就能获得两年的免费增长。

他们正在恢复盈利。你会得到你的利润,但时机就是一切,所以你需要精准地选择时机。不要仅仅因为价格便宜就买入。盯住这些股票,留意那些签下姆巴佩之类的新进入市场者。秘诀是了解你所在经济周期的性质并识别周期。

Consumer preferences have changed, or there is too much competition, and it's not that people don't want to wear Nike like they did three years ago. But three years from now, again in the future, people may get bored with it again .

Oh, and Nike is the accessible and easy thing that everyone can get, and if that happens, you get two years of free growth. They are returning to making profits. You will get your profits, but timing is everything, so you need to be precise in choosing the time.

Don't buy just because the price is cheap. Keep an eye on the stocks and watch out for new entrants to the market who sign Mbappe , and things like that . The secret is to know the nature of your economic cycle and identify the cycles.

关于这个问题:它的真实价值何时会达到?现在价格是43。如果我们看这些盈利,它们代表了Nike利润繁荣的峰值,那么基于这些盈利,我们谈论的是大约10倍的市盈率。

Regarding the question: When will its true value be reached? The price is 43 now. If we look at these earnings, which represent the peak of Nike's booming profits , we are talking about a price-to-earnings ratio of around 10 based on those earnings.

然而,一周前,我在斯洛文尼亚的首都卢布尔雅那。这张图来自谷歌地图;他们刚在高街开了一家大型Nike门店。你可以看到这个人没有穿Nike。我的天。总之,我路过这里,店里一个人都没有。

当然,销售人员在那里,但没有顾客。Zara就在他们旁边,里面总是有10个人。这就是根本区别。似乎发生了什么事。Nike不再跟上时尚了。但我们不是时尚爱好者,我们是投资者。

However, a week ago, I was in the capital of Slovenia, Ljubljana. This image is from Google Maps; they've just opened a large Nike store on High Street. You can see that this man is not wearing Nike.

Oh my God. Anyway, I passed by here, there was no one in the store. Of course, the sales staff were there, but there were no shoppers. Zara is next to them, and there are always 10 people inside.

This is the fundamental difference. Something seems to have happened. Nike is no longer keeping up with fashion. But we are not fashion enthusiasts, we are investors.

Nike 500亿美元的估值看起来非常便宜。最高收入是57亿。这意味着我们的交易价格是最高收入的10倍,或者9倍。那些想收购这家公司的私募股权公司和财团在哪里?他们在哪里?他们全都在押注人工智能。

所以,这也是让所有其他这些东西变得更便宜的一个因素。简单来说,资本集中到了别处。

Nike's $50 billion valuation seems very cheap. The maximum income was 5.7 billion. This means we are trading at 10 times the maximum income, or nine times. Where are the private equity firms and consortia to buy this company?

Where are they? They are all betting on artificial intelligence. So , this is also something that makes all these other things cheaper. Simply put, the capital is concentrated elsewhere .

所以,说到Nike,我说过它看起来像一个买入机会。现在,首先,你也可以从战略角度来看待这件事。在某个时候,既然它是盈利的,既然他们开始削减成本等等,它最终会触底。所以,如果你现在以500亿买入,你是在说,或者如果你在600亿买入,你是在说:“好,我会在400亿时买更多,然后在300亿时再买更多。”

然后她说:“够了。”它迟早应该回到600亿。你会在最后一笔买入上赚到翻倍的利润,在平均买入价上赚50%,而如果你已经买入了第一笔,你从第一笔买入中什么也赚不到。因此,你可以遵循某种策略,因为现在所有人都如此讨厌这些股票,这可能使它们成为一个有前景的投资机会。

也许在两年、三年或五年后,所有人都会重新穿Nike,但这就是时尚行业的本质。

So, when it comes to Nike, I said it looks like a buy opportunity . Now, firstly, you can also approach this from a strategic perspective. At some point, since it's profitable, and since they start cutting costs and everything, it will eventually hit rock bottom .

So, if you are buying now at 50 billion, you are saying, or if you bought at 60, you are saying: "Okay, I'll buy more at 40 billion, and then more at 30 billion." Then she says, "That's enough."

Sooner or later, it should return to 60 billion. You will earn double your profit on the last purchase, 50% on the average purchase, and you will not earn anything from your first purchase if you have already purchased.

Therefore, you can follow a certain strategy because everyone hates these stocks so much right now, which may make them a promising investment opportunity. Perhaps in two, three, or five years, everyone will go back to wearing Nike , but that's the nature of the fashion industry.

当我看到那家门店空无一人时,我看了看Nike,它不会成为我多元化投资组合的一部分。我想寻找那些我无法理解市场为何看不到其价值的机会。如果我看到一家空荡荡的Nike门店,而Zara里却有很多人,诸如此类,那么我就知道市场没有错。

如果我看到一家挤满人的门店,他们还在四处闲逛、疯狂购买Nike,就像几年前,或者10年前,我带孩子去某个地方时,他们都会冲向Nike折扣店,好让每个人都能从Nike买点东西。现在他们都在买别的东西。

所以,情况可能会改变,因为这就是时尚的本质,但“可能会改变”并不是我想在我的多元化投资组合中看到的价值。

I looked at Nike when I saw the store was empty, and it wouldn't be part of my diversified investment portfolio . I want to find opportunities where I cannot understand how the market fails to see the value.

If I see an empty Nike store, while there are lots of people at Zara, and things like that , then I know the market isn't wrong. If I saw a store full of people, and they were still wandering around and buying Nikes like crazy, like it was a few years ago, or 10 years ago, when I used to take the kids somewhere, they would all rush to the Nike outlet so that each one of them could buy something from Nike.

Now they are all buying something else. So, the situation may change because that's the nature of fashion, but "may change" is not the value I want to see in my diversified investment portfolio.

这个频道对 $NKE 的历次判断

Value Investing with Sven Carlin, Ph.D. 在这只股票上共 4 条判断,这里只列相邻的几条。

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Nike 股价持续下跌。如果继续这样下去,我们会把它作为一个渠道买入。我会当 CEO。
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我们最近讨论了运动服装行业,研究了耐克、Lululemon和On,并得出结论:最终一切都归结于客户偏好,当年什么会流行,什么会增长,什么不会增长,这非常非常难以预测。某一年某样东西流行,第二年又是另一样东西。
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