$V · Everything Money · 2026-11-07
Visa 是一家高质量支付网络,利润率和资本回报都很高,但在9150亿美元市值和43.5倍去年自由现金流下显得昂贵;他的10年模型显示,在平均假设下按当前433的价格隐含回报为6.18%,即使在其最佳假设下也仅约10.25%,因此当最佳情形也只给出尚可的回报时,他不想投资。
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全球支付网络Visa也是如此。
Visa , the global payments network, did the same.
那么,我们就拿这些创纪录的公司之一Visa来检验这个想法。Visa运营着庞大的网络,让你几乎在地球上任何地方都能刷卡或拍卡支付。这是一家很棒的公司。它不像银行那样放贷。相反,它悄悄地从中抽取数万亿美元支付额中的一小部分。
So, let's put this idea to the test on one of these record-breaking companies, Visa. Visa operates the enormous network that allows you to swipe or tap your card almost anywhere on Earth.
It's a great company. It does not lend money like banks. Instead, it quietly takes a small slice of the trillions of dollars in payments.
去年,它的营收增长了15%,达到约460亿美元,并从中留下了超过230亿美元作为净利润。各位,这是一台盈利能力惊人的机器。
Last year, its revenue grew by 15% to approximately $46 billion, and it retained more than $23 billion of that as net profit. Guys, this is an incredibly profitable machine.
那么,我们不喜欢它的地方是什么?价格。我想提醒大家,一个精彩的故事或一家伟大的公司,如果价格不对,就会变成一笔糟糕的投资。
So, what is there that we don't like about it ? the price. I want to remind everyone that a great story or a great company at the wrong price becomes a bad investment.
所以,不要看股价,这才是公司真正的价格,也就是市值。9150亿美元。接下来我总会做的一件事,就是直接去看企业的价值。原因是企业的价值通常大于市值,而这大约450亿美元的差额本质上就是它们的债务。
So, instead of looking at the share price, this is the actual price of the company, i.e., the market value. $915 billion. Now, the next thing I always do is go directly to the value of the facility.
The reason is that the value of the business is usually greater than the market value, and this difference of about $45 billion is essentially their debt.
这看起来是一大笔钱,但你应该拿它跟别的东西比较。我拿它跟它们的自由现金流比。当你每年产生210亿美元的自由现金流,而债务是450亿美元时,我完全不担心这笔债务。
This seems like a large sum of money , but you should compare it to something. I'm comparing it to their free cash flow. When you generate $21 billion in free cash flow annually against $45 billion in debt, I'm not worried about that debt at all.
接下来是一个衡量质量的指标:投入资本回报率。过去五年每年28.5%,去年接近36%。因此,资本回报率不断上升,意味着这家公司质量很高。因此,它理应享有价格溢价。
The next thing is a measure of quality: return on invested capital. 28.5 percent annually over the past five years, and nearly 36 percent last year. Therefore, the growing return on capital means that this company is of high quality . Therefore, it deserves a price premium.
这个溢价有多大?它目前的售价相当于去年自由现金流的43.5倍,以及过去五年平均值的50倍。这看起来太高了。但话说回来,如果你知道Visa未来十年利润每年将增长100%这个事实,那么这个价格就非常便宜。
然而,这非常难以实现。但我的全部要点是向你表明,这个指标本身并不意味着它贵或便宜。它只是一种思考未来的方式。
What is the size of this bonus? Well, it is currently selling at a price equivalent to 43.5 times last year's free cash flow, and 50 times the average of the past five years. That seems like too much.
But again, if you know the fact that Visa will grow its profits by 100% annually over the next ten years, then this price is very cheap. However, it is very difficult to achieve that .
But my whole point is to show you that this metric in itself does not mean that it is expensive or cheap. It's simply a way to think about the future.
各位,我们谈过这个。看看这个利润率。10年的利润率是49.7%,5年是51.3%,一年是51.2%。它赚到的钱有一半以上是税后利润。这才是惊人的地方。
Guys, we've talked about this. Look at this profit margin . The profit margin for 10 years is 49.7%, for 5 years 51.3%, and for one year 51.2 %. More than half of the money it generates is after-tax profits. This is the amazing part.
作为一家公司,它们的目标是继续从每一笔小额交易中分得一杯羹。各位,它们明年将派发0.464%的股息。这会消耗它们约50亿美元的自由现金流。所以,这只是它们自由现金流的一部分,没什么大不了的。
Their goal as a company is to continue to get a share of every small transaction. Guys, they're paying out a 0.464% dividend next year. That will consume about $5 billion of their free cash flow.
So, this is part of their free cash flow , and it's not a big deal.
我们来看看它们的八大支柱。各位,和许多伟大的公司一样,它们拿到了很多勾:高资本回报率、股票回购、希望股价不贵、高现金流、高净利润、营收增长,以及低债务。
Let's take a look at their eight pillars. Guys, like many great companies out there, they got a lot of checkmarks: high returns on capital, share buybacks, hopefully not expensive stock, high cash flows, high net income, increasing revenues, and low debt.
就是这些烦人的评级标准。五年市盈率和五年市自由现金流比率很重要,但我们很快就能看到它们是否其实并不像我们想的那么糟。
It's just about these annoying rating scales. The five-year price-to-earnings ratio and the five- year price-to-free cash flow ratio are important, but we will soon be able to see if they are actually not as bad as we think .
现在,我们来看分析师的预测。分析师并不完全乐观,我的意思是,也许他们是乐观的。每股股息15美元,未来三年将升至19美元。这其实非常强劲。这些都是两位数。营收也以低两位数增长,从508.2亿到660亿。
Now, let's move on to the analysts' estimates . Well, the analysts aren't entirely optimistic , I mean, maybe they are. $15 per share as dividends rising to $19 over the next three years.
This is actually very powerful . These are two-digit numbers. Revenues are also growing at low double-digit figures, from 50.82 to 66 billion.
各位,无论全球经济走向如何,它们都很可能继续表现得比那稍好一些。原因是世界上还有多少人连一张Visa卡都没有?每当Visa让一个新的人使用它的卡,就意味着他们口袋里的钱越来越多。从长远来看,这是件大好事。
Guys, wherever the global economy goes, they're likely to continue performing a little better than that. The reason for this is how many people in the world don't even own a Visa card?
Every time Visa gets a new person to use its card, it means more and more money in their pockets. This is a great thing in the long run.
现在,我们有一些故事,也有一些数字。我们现在的目标是审视股票分析师,对未来做出假设,然后确定公司今天的价值。所以各位,我在做十年分析。你还记得我跟你们讲过的资本回报率吗?它更好了。10年、5年和一年,它持续改善。
Now, we have some stories, and we have some numbers. Our goal now is to review the stock analyst, make assumptions about the future , and then determine the company's value today.
So guys, I'm doing a 10-year analysis. Do you remember when I told you about returns on capital? It's better. 10, 5, and one year, she continues to improve.
我的第一个问题是,我假设未来十年的营收增长是多少?各位,我知道分析师对接下来三年的假设是10%或11%,但我必须假设到那时可能会出现某种全球衰退,或某种原因阻止它继续以这种方式增长。我没有降得太低。我选了6.5、9和11.5。
My first question is, what revenue growth do I assume for the next ten years? Guys, I know that analysts for the next three years were assuming 10 or 11%, but I have to assume that at that time there may be some kind of global recession or some reason preventing it from continuing to grow in this way .
I didn't drop too low. I chose 6.5, 9, and 11.5.
接下来是利润率和自由现金流。如你所见,自由现金流往往更低,所以我在这里重点关注自由现金流,我给自由现金流和利润率都设了46%、48%和50%。
Next, profit margin and free cash flow. Free cash flow tends to be lower, as you can see, so I'm focusing on free cash flow here, and I'm putting 46, 48, and 50% on both free cash flow and profit margin.
接下来,Visa 10年后应该拥有多少市盈率或市自由现金流比率?记住,高质量的业务、极难被超越、出色的利润率、优秀的资产负债表,这些都是高质量公司的全部特征。所以,它确实理应享有高于标普历史平均15到17倍的溢价。
Next, what is the price-to- earnings ratio or price-to-free-cash-flow ratio that Visa should have 10 years from now? Remember, high-quality work, very difficult to surpass, great margins, excellent balance sheet, all the hallmarks of a high-quality company.
So, it really does deserve a premium that's above the historical S&P 15 to 17 average.
各位,我输入了21、24和27这几个比率。这是个很大的数字,是我用过的最高数字之一,但关键在于,这是一家 Visa 公司。如果我今天给你一万亿美元,让你去和 Visa 竞争,我认为你会非常困难。这是一种衡量质量的指标。
Guys, I've entered ratios of 21, 24, and 27. That's a big number, one of the highest numbers I've ever used , but the point is, it's a Visa company. If I gave you a trillion dollars today and told you to compete with Visa, I think you would have a very difficult time doing so . This is a type of indicator of quality.
最后,内在价值的回报率在没有安全边际的情况下是9.5%。这意味着,我只是试图基于9%或10%的历史回报来确定这家公司的价值。我不是坐在这里告诉你这就是你必须支付的价格。所需的回报因人而异。
我想说的是,如果你要买个股,就要获得比市场更高的回报,否则你不如去买低成本的交易所交易基金(ETF)。
Finally, the rate of return on intrinsic value is 9.5 percent without a safety margin. What this means is that I am simply trying to determine the value of this company based on a historical return of 9 or 10 percent.
I'm not here to sit and tell you that this is the price you have to pay. The returns required vary from person to person. What I would say is, if you're going to buy individual stocks, get a higher return than the market, otherwise you're better off buying a low- cost exchange-traded fund (ETF).
于是我按下了分析按钮。当前股价是433。我的低价是240,高价是460,平均价是330。所以这一切意味着,如果我所有平均假设都成立,并且我按今天的价格买入,我将获得6.18%的回报。
各位,下面这些回报已经包含股息。因此,不要在此基础上再加股息。
So, I pressed the analyze button. The stock price is currently 433. I have a low price at 240, a high price at 460, and an average price at 330. So, what all this means is that if all my average assumptions are met and I pay today's price, I will achieve a return of 6.18 percent.
Now, folks, these returns below include dividends. Therefore, do not add dividends on top of it.
对我来说,这可能有点贵,因为即使是我最好的假设,回报也只有大约10.25%。我真的不想投资那种即使最好假设也只给我一个可接受回报的东西。
For me , it might be a little expensive because even my best assumptions give a return of about 10.25 percent. I really don't want to invest in something where the best assumptions only give me an acceptable return.