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$TSLA · Solving The Money Problem · 2026-11-02

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特斯拉的 robotaxi/Cybercab 在成本和生产规模上具有优势;先在各个城市播种、再以廉价而快速的服务大量铺开,应能让特斯拉超越 Waymo 并主导 robotaxi 市场。关于马斯克对 SpaceX 的专注或合并可能限制其维护承诺的风险,似乎可控,因为车队运营商会负责日常维护。

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所以,Elon 发帖谈到了 Tesla 与 Waymo 的对比,并说:“原话是,这从来就不是一场真正的竞争。”

So, Elon posted about Tesla vs. Waymo and said, "Quote, it was never a real competition."

这里是每英里成本的计算,Cyber Cab 的估算成本是每英里20美分,至少这是他们目前看到的数据。Model Y 的每英里成本是16美分。

Here's the dollar-per-mile calculation , with Cyber Cabs estimated to cost 20 cents per mile , at least that's what they're seeing today. The Model Y costs 16 cents per mile,

如果 Cyber Cab 大规模投入运营,每英里成本将是20美分。如果 Tesla 能在其专属的 robotaxi——Cyber Cab 上提供好得多的体验,并以一半的成本提供更先进的服务,比如触摸屏、Tesla 应用知道你上次上车时 Spotify 播到哪里、按你的喜好调节暖风和空调等等,它就会替你把这些都做好。

If Cyber Cab is launched on a large scale, it will cost 20 cents per mile. If Tesla could offer a much better experience in their dedicated robotaxi, Cyber Cab, and offer more advanced services at half the cost, like touchscreens, the Tesla app knowing where Spotify was the last time you got in the car, adjusting the heating, cooling, everything to your liking, it would do it for you.

Tesla 将接管他们的整个市场。关于成本,最后再说一点。Tesla 是当今全世界唯一一家既大量生产有吸引力的电动汽车、又确实通过向客户销售这些车而盈利的公司。

Tesla will take over their entire market. One last point about costs. Tesla is the only company in the entire world today that produces a large number of attractive electric cars and actually makes a profit by selling them to customers.

如今,还没有任何一家车企能够匹敌 Tesla 生产电动汽车的成本。所以,如果在功能、性能和实用性方面,世界上没有任何一家公司能哪怕接近 Tesla 制造电动汽车的成本。

Today, no automaker has been able to match Tesla's cost of producing electric cars. So, if no company in the world can even come close to Tesla's cost of building an electric car in terms of features, performance, and functionality.

Tesla 造车只使用摄像头。

You know, Tesla only uses cameras to build their cars.

他们只是以低成本造出了一辆高性能的车。Tesla Robotaxi 现已在德克萨斯州 Fort Worth 上线。

They simply created a high-performance car at a low cost. Tesla Robotaxi is now available in Fort Worth, Texas.

我记得有个叫 Three 的人,在第一个 robotaxi 城市上线之前就提出,Tesla 大体上会按照人口规模,在美国前100大城市从上到下依次推进。

I remember a guy named Three suggesting, before the first robotaxi city launched, that Tesla would generally work from top to bottom in the top 100 cities in the US based on population.

但总的来说,除了民主党控制的城市可能不想要 robotaxi 而提出反对之外,你会看到 Tesla 按人口规模在较大的城市推进,因为那里是他们获益最大的地方。

But generally speaking, aside from the objections of Democrat-controlled cities , where they might not want robotaxis, you'll see Tesla pushing ahead in larger cities based on population, because that's where they'll benefit the most.

另一个近期更新是,服务时间现在是早上6点到凌晨2点。他们现在基本上已经覆盖了全部时段。

Another recent update is that service hours are now from 6 am to 2 am. They've pretty much covered the entire time now.

也就是说,24小时服务在技术上固然好,但凌晨2点到6点之间寻求出行服务的人非常少。随着时间推移,他们肯定会延长服务时间。

That is, 24-hour service would be technically good, but the number of people seeking transportation services between 2 am and 6 am is very low. They will surely increase it over time.

也许结束时间会是凌晨3点,开始时间会是4点30分,大概是这样。但请记住,这段停运时间正好适合给车辆充电、清洁和维护。

Maybe the end time will be 3:00 AM and the start time will be 4:30 AM, something like that. But remember, this closure time is perfect for car recharging , cleaning, and maintenance.

对于错过德克萨斯州 Houston 地理围栏扩张消息的人来说,这也属于德克萨斯州的一部分。说到德克萨斯州,我在 X 上看到 Nick 发的一个帖子,其中说 Tesla 目前在德克萨斯州有1,204辆 robotaxi,而 Waymo 在德州的 fleet 有1,259辆。

For those who missed the news of the geofence expansion in Houston, Texas, this is also part of Texas. And while we're talking about Texas, I saw a post by Nick on X , where Tesla currently has 1,204 robotaxis in the state of Texas, while Waymo's Texas fleet has 1,259.

Tesla 的车是1,204辆。这是通过仅一天就新增120辆车、过去30天新增658辆车实现的。

Tesla cars 1,204. This was made possible by adding 120 new cars in just one day and 658 in the last 30 days.

特斯拉已经在达拉斯运营 robotaxi 服务。Fort Worth 实际上离那里非常近。自然,到了某个时候,这两个服务区域会彼此合并,在中间会合。

Tesla already operates a robotaxi service in Dallas. Fort Worth is actually located very close to it. Naturally, at some point these two service areas will merge with each other and meet in the middle.

特斯拉即将在很短时间内超越 Waymo 在德州的 robotaxi 车队。他们正快速从一个城市扩张到另一个城市,并战略性地向美国人口最多的都市区推进。

Tesla is on the verge of overtaking Waymo's Texas robotaxi fleet in a very short time. They are rapidly expanding from city to city and are strategically moving towards the most populous metropolitan areas in the United States.

他们也在一些规则和监管较宽松的州开展业务。德州多一点,佛罗里达多一点。他们拥有巨大的成本优势。他们能比任何其他竞争对手更快地制造 robotaxi 或 cybercab。

They are also working in states where some rules and regulations are relaxed. A little more in Texas, a little more in Florida. They have huge cost advantages. They can build robo-taxis or cyber cabs much faster than any other competitor.

结局会是一样的。特斯拉会成长,达到巨大规模,在成本上超越所有人,并主导市场。

It will end the same way. Tesla will grow, reach massive scale, outperform everyone in terms of cost, and dominate the market.

我一个朋友今天给我发了条消息,她说她注意到 Fort Worth 地理围栏有个问题。我承认,乍一看,它在我看来既不像阴茎,也不像星舰。

a friend of mine sent me a message today and she said she noticed an issue with the Fort Worth geofence. And I admit, at first glance it did n't look like a penis or a starship to me.

但这并没有解决特斯拉硬件巨大的成本优势、生产规模和改善的用户体验。教企业制造像特斯拉 Cybertruck 那样便宜、快速、高效、美观、优雅且技术先进的电动汽车。

but that doesn't address the huge cost advantage, scale of production, and improved user experience of Tesla's hardware. teach companies to build cheap, fast, efficient, beautiful, elegant, and technologically advanced electric cars like Tesla's Cybertruck.

因为否则,我不理解 AI 将如何解决硬件成本和规模的问题。如果 Elon 能成功且迅速地建成 Terafab,他就会赢,因为届时他将能造出多得多的 Cybertruck。

Because otherwise , I don't understand how AI will solve the problem of hardware cost and scale. If Elon can successfully and quickly build Terafab , he will win because he will then be able to build many more Cybertrucks.

看看会发生什么。特斯拉制造 cybercab 的速度比任何竞争对手的 robotaxi 公司都快得多。特斯拉将战略性地一个接一个地覆盖城市,通常优先考虑人口较多的城市。

See what happens. Tesla is building cybercabs at a much faster rate than any rival robotaxi company. Tesla will strategically fill cities one after the other , usually prioritizing cities with higher populations first.

他们会降低每英里服务成本,使其与其他可用的 robotaxi 保持一致。因为如果你过快地把价格压得很低,却没有 robotaxi,等待时间就会变得难以忍受。你会获得早期用户,但他们的要求也不应不合理。不过,你会有成本优势。

They will reduce the cost of their service per mile, so that it is in line with other available robotaxis. Because if you make it very cheap too quickly and there are no robotaxis, the waiting time will become unbearable.

You will get early adopters , but their demands should not be unreasonable either. However, you will have cost advantages.

所以主要的限制是你能在一个城市部署多少 robotaxi,直到达到饱和点。而且 robotaxi 越多,你能提供的服务就越少,这样等待时间才不会变得离谱。

So the main limitation is how many robotaxis you can deploy in a city , until you reach the saturation point. And the more robotaxis there are, the less you can offer service , so that the waiting time doesn't get to an absurd level.

你让它们彼此保持一致,最终你会用 2,000、5,000 或 10,000 辆 robotaxi 填满城市。你将拥有市场,你将拥有最低的价格、最快的等待时间和最好的服务,而且非常实惠。

You keep them consistent with each other and eventually you'll fill the city with 2,000, 5,000, or 10,000 robotaxis. You will own the market , you will have the lowest prices, the fastest wait times and the best service, which is very affordable.

正如我所说,特斯拉是唯一一家提供这种服务并能自己造车的公司,更不用说还能快速让车上路,而且他们目前每年生产约 200 万辆汽车。

As I was saying, Tesla is the only company that offers this service and can build its own cars , let alone put them on the road at a fast pace , and they are currently producing about 2 million cars a year.

如果特斯拉 Cybertruck 遍布各地,它们就会无处不在。在美国任何大城市,你打开应用就能看到一辆车在一秒或 30 秒之外,这比 Waymo 的服务更好、更便宜。

If Tesla Cybertrucks spread everywhere, they would be everywhere. And in any major city in America, you can open the app and see a car is a second or 30 seconds away, which is a better and cheaper service than Waymo.

首先,我爱我的特斯拉。我有一辆 2026 款特斯拉 Model Y Juniper 版。我很喜欢它。这很棒。我用 FSD。

first of all, I love my Tesla. I have a Tesla Model Y 2026 Juniper model. I love it. This is great. I use FSD.

我认为特斯拉现在给司机一个 FSD 评分,也就是你处于自动驾驶状态的时间百分比。我想我现在的分数在 96% 或 97% 以上。从波士顿到纽约全程无需任何干预。这太棒了。

I think Tesla now gives drivers an FSD score, which is the percentage of time you spend in automatic driving. I think my score is above 96 or 97 percent right now. Go from Boston to New York without any interference. This is wonderful.

但我不确定 Tesla 是否真的参与其中,尤其是在 Elon 正转向 SpaceX 的时代,而且关于这一点已经有很多文章,NASA 也不像过去那样热衷于合同了。

But I'm not sure if Tesla is really in it, in an era when Elon is moving towards SpaceX , and there's been a lot of writing about it, NASA isn't as keen on contracts as it used to be.

同样,在 Tesla 这边,如果 Tesla 和 SpaceX 合并,考虑到 Salim 的说法,Elon 真的会过多考虑 Cyber Cab 所需的所有维护和基础设施吗?

Similarly on Tesla's side, if Tesla and SpaceX merge, given Salim's statement, would Elon really think too much about all the maintenance and infrastructure required for Cyber Cab?

合并后的 Tesla-SpaceX 真的会考虑维护 Cybercab 吗,还是只会把它当作一项成本,就像当初建设 Supercharger 充电站那样?

Would a combined Tesla-SpaceX really think about maintaining Cybercab , or would it just be considered a cost item , as was the case with building Supercharger stations?

曾有一段时间,他们的 Supercharger 团队动荡得厉害,Tesla 基本上停止了 Supercharger 的生产。

At one point, there was so much unrest in their Supercharger team that Tesla essentially stopped making Superchargers.

这会是一件只是做做样子、向股东展示 Tesla 在考虑 AI 和自动驾驶的事情吗?长期来看,我怀疑单靠 SpaceX 的超级智能算力业务,就能在营收和利润上大规模超越 Autonomy,甚至超越 Autonomy 在全球的完全主导地位。

但 Tesla 不会说:“是啊,其实不会。”“你知道,我们不会那么做。”

Will it be something where it's just a nice thing to do , to show shareholders that Tesla is thinking about AI and autonomy In the long term, I doubt that SpaceX's superintelligence compute business alone will surpass Autonomy on a large scale, in terms of revenue and profit, even Autonomy's complete global dominance.

But, Tesla wouldn't say, "Yeah, actually, no ." "You know, we wouldn't do that."

维护问题确实存在,但剧透一下,还有 Optimus 人形机器人。想象一下,大规模自动驾驶能挽救多少生命。这是巨大的激励。Tesla 能造出世界上最安全的车是有原因的。这会发生,他们会尽最大努力,在安全允许的范围内尽可能广泛、尽可能快地扩展自动驾驶。

Now, the maintenance issue is real, but spoiler alert, there is an Optimus humanoid robot. Imagine how many lives would be saved through large-scale autonomy. This is a huge incentive.

There's a reason Tesla makes the safest vehicles in the world. This will happen, and they will do their best to expand autonomy as widely and quickly as safely possible.

还有一点要注意,他们会把 Cyber Cab 卖给商业车队运营商,而维护这些车是运营商的工作。剧透一下,不是 Tesla。

Another thing to note is that they will sell Cyber Cabs to commercial fleet operators , whose job will be to maintain them. Spoiler alert, not Tesla.

或者 Alex,这数百万辆 cybercab 会不会成为 SpaceX 生态的基础设施,并充当 Starlink 的中继器?

Or Alex, will this population of millions of cybercabs become infrastructure for the SpaceX ecosystem and will it act as a repeater for Starlink ?

你看,它会有带宽,会有电力,而且会分布在繁忙城市的人群之中。但如果他真的相信这一点,难道不会更专注于生产 Cybercab,而少花些精力生产 Optimus 机器人吗?

Look, it will have bandwidth, it will have electricity, and it will be spread among the people of a busy city. But if he really believed this , wouldn't he have focused more on producing Cybercabs and less on producing Optimus robots ?

我原本期待的是 Optimus 机器人、Starlink 毫微微蜂窝基站之类的,以及对城市环境的实时测绘,但你觉得 Cybercab 最适合做这个,而不是 Optimus 吗?

I was hoping for Optimus robots, Starlink femtocells or whatever, and real-time mapping of urban environments, but do you think Cybercab is best for that, not Optimus?

我认为 Cybercab 会有 20 千瓦时的电量,它会靠近人群,而且从第一天起就会内置 Starlink 连接。

I think the Cybercab will have 20 kilowatt hours of power, it will be near people, and it will have Starlink connectivity built-in from day one.

我觉得人们对 Cybercab 有些误解,关键其实在于抢先进入市场,并看看几年内如何实现量产。

I think people are missing something about Cybercab , it's really about being the first to hit the market and seeing how they can be mass produced in a few years.

所以,如果 Elon 把 4 万辆 Cybercab 投放到 Austin、New York 和 London,他就能掌控市场,因为你会想把新的 Waymo 车带进那个市场吗?

So, if Elon drops 40,000 Cybercabs into Austin, New York, and London, he'll have the market under his control, because would you want to bring a new Waymo car to that market?

如果你看看这些数字,就能明白他可以先拿下几个一线城市,然后再转向二线城市。我认为他首先考虑的是 Optimus,然后再造更多 Cybercab,但只需把每个城市的账算一算。

And if you look at the numbers, you can understand that he can capture a few first-tier cities and then move on to second-tier cities. I think he's thinking of Optimus first, which will then build more Cybercabs, but just crunch the numbers for each city.

你需要多少趟行程、多少辆 cybercab 来替代,成本又是多少?第二家公司要在那个城市生存下来有多难?总结得很好。正如我一直说的,Tesla 的策略会相当简单。他们目前正在各个城市建立基地。

占据一小块空间,这是最重要的一步。获得在相对较小规模、城市较小区域内运营 robotaxi 的法律批准。只是打基础,播下种子。从战略上,一个接一个。这里一颗种子,那里一颗种子,这里一个基础,那里一个基础。

然后,你可以从战略上决定,好,现在是完全接管 Austin 市的时候了。我们将为 Austin 单独投放 3 周的产量。然后是 Dallas,然后是 Miami,然后是 Los Angeles,然后是 New York。

持续全职生产 cybercab 几天、几周,也许几个月。拿下城市,掌控市场,游戏结束。

How many trips and how many cybercabs would you need instead, and how much would it cost? And how difficult is it for a second company to survive in that city ? Very well captured.

As I've been saying , Tesla's strategy will be quite simple. They are currently setting up bases in various cities. Occupying a small space, which is the most important step. Obtaining legal approval to operate robo-taxis on a relatively small scale and in small areas in a city.

Just building a foundation, planting a seed. Strategically, one after another. Here is a seed, there is a seed, here is a foundation, there is a foundation. Then, you can strategically decide, okay , now is the time to take over the city of Austin completely.

We will be releasing 3 weeks of production just for Austin. Then Dallas, then Miami, then Los Angeles, then New York. Continuing to produce full-time cybercabs for a few days, a few weeks, maybe a few months.

Capture the city, take control of the market, and the game is over.

像 Waymo 这样的所谓竞争对手出租车服务,在一个你可以在不到一分钟内、随时随地以极低成本叫到 Tesla Cybercab 的城市里,要怎么生存?他们为什么要进入那个市场?

How will a so-called rival taxi service like Waymo survive in a city where you can get a Tesla Cybercab anywhere, anytime, for a very low cost in less than a minute? Why would they enter that market?

但这当然是因为我是个盲目的 Tesla 粉丝,而不是因为我说得对。我新的 Tesla 和 SpaceX 20 年估值模型现已在 Patreon 上线,面向投资者级别及以上的支持者。

But that's of course because I'm a blind Tesla fan, not because I'm right. My new 20-year valuation model for Tesla and SpaceX is now live on Patreon for backers at investor level or above.

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